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Competition Central / Re: About Sonic Unleashed...

« on: January 15, 2009, 03:24:16 pm »

K.

So, is there any point in competing here if you know that there's no way you'll ever devote enough of your life to Sonic to get the top records in everything?

There's the million dollar question.  Unfortunately, not every has the time (or wants to spend the time) to find and master all the glitches in the game to even be competitive, and personally, I say that's the reason for TSC's lack of regular competitors.  The competition has degraded to a handful of players competing with each other to see who can find the game-breaking glitch.  It's the equivalent of using performance enhancing drugs in athletic competitions.  Why bother competing if you're going to have to settle for 40th (random placement) at best because you don't know, and don't have the time to find the glitches required to be competitive.  

"You're skillfully maneuvering out of bounds and skillfully going through the walls."

That's a pretty ridiculous statement IMO.  So what happens when the level is so broken, or is broken enough to where there's little room left for actually "playing" the game?  How do you "skillfully" glitch through a wall?  Everyone is using the same glitch, and with many glitches, there is no skill to doing it at all.  You practice it for awhile, and then you are magically catapulted to the forefront without having to do much at all, topping those who spent hours, days, weeks, months mastering the most effective path through the level, mastering jump height and timing, etc. before the glitch was discovered, and then somebody screws around for 15 minutes and destroys your time.  That kills competition, it doesn't promote it.  I don't play video games to watch characters glitch through a wall and reach the goal.  I'm an intensely competitive person, ask anyone that I know. However I just don't see the point in competing in Sonic, because it's reached a level where glitching takes precedence over practice and skill.  Just being the best means nothing if nobody else cares to try to beat you, which is what Sonic competition has become.  So many people just stop because they realize that after all of their work, they are still a minute off the record because they don't know some glitch, and most people just don't care find it.  Being the best in that manner just doesn't matter, it has less meaning.  In a lot of charts, the top player is likely not the best, so the charts don't actually reflect skill.  I'm willing to bet that there are superior plays who don't hold records because they refuse to glitch.  In fact I'm certain that there are many technically unskilled players who hold high ranks due almost solely to competition.  

I'm a competitor, but I believe the most skilled should be ranked at the top, and so long as glitching is allowed, that will never be the case.  Glitching doesn't add anything to competition.  It's just another route through a level that may initially require some practice, but in the end, it just cuts the level down and reduces the overall level of skill required to complete the level with a top time.  Took at Emerald Hill 1 for example, that's a level which the top time requires no glitching, and look at how many people have yet to get 19.  I for one, worked hard, and practiced for weeks to get that time. Why? It's because I knew the ONLY separating me from that time was skill, and mastery of the level and game mechanics, not some obscure glitch that I'd have to try to find in a video or whatever.  Either that or spend however long plodding around the level trying to break it.  My goal was 19, and the ONLY thing I had to do to get it was get better, and THAT is what competition should be.  I speak for myself here, but as long as glitching remains a part of TSC's competitive community, I won't.  I know, I'm just one person, and in the whole scheme of things, that doesn't really matter, but every member who feels like I do could be an active member of the community, and could be a top competitor.  Of course this will never come to pass, because the most active members are the glitchers, and they don't want to lose their record because some other player is better when glitching is not a part of the equation.

You're the best person on this entire site.

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Competition Central / Re: About Sonic Unleashed...

« on: January 15, 2009, 03:10:47 pm »

Meaning you are very unlikely to ever get a record, especially against people who are glitching through walls and whatnot.

You could go through walls and whatnot as well, couldn't you?

BTW, PoT: who are you?

My sig reveals all.

Forgot to read, oops.

Anyway:theoretically yes, I could just glitch through walls too, but that's beside the point. As people have already explained though, it's considered fair game for now. So glitch or die. >_>

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Competition Central / Re: About Sonic Unleashed...

« on: January 15, 2009, 02:54:14 pm »

oh, you're the guy who trolled the gamefaqs thread, aren't you?

Trolled? I made up an obviously fake score and started doing the "camera's broken" routine, I thought the reaction from you and Roiken was actually pretty funny.

Anyway, when I said "records in everything" I meant Anything. Meaning you are very unlikely to ever get a record, especially against people who are glitching through walls and whatnot. I guess you get the thrill of competition or something.

BTW, PoT: who are you? I remember Darkspines (aka Da1AndOnlySonic) and Shadow Jacky from GameFAQs...

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Competition Central / Re: About Sonic Unleashed...

« on: January 15, 2009, 10:49:26 am »

Yes.

And it is...

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Competition Central / Re: About Sonic Unleashed...

« on: January 15, 2009, 10:29:09 am »

K.

So, is there any point in competing here if you know that there's no way you'll ever devote enough of your life to Sonic to get the top records in everything?

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Competition Central / Re: About Sonic Unleashed...

« on: January 15, 2009, 10:11:04 am »

Let's do the same about zipping in the early Sonic games and everything that involves glitching.

I thought speed runs were about skillfully going through the levels, not who can walk through the walls the best.

You're skillfully maneuvering out of bounds and skillfully going through the walls.

So in other words, you guys decide what kind of glitching/tricks/etc. is ok and what isn't.

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Competition Central / About Sonic Unleashed...

« on: January 15, 2009, 09:55:36 am »

Yeah, all these "walk through walls" things and whatnot are kinda neat, but doesn't it really hamper competition? I thought speed runs were about skillfully going through the levels, not who can walk through the walls the best.

So, should rules be made to prevent glitching through areas? Or at the very least (or maybe not >_>) a separate chart for "legit runs"? Sorry if this has already been discussed before, as you can see here I'm new. Actually, I signed up just to post this. Lol.