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? Boxes
Luxray:
Okay, so this works in Advance 3, but how will this work for games that don't auto-10 ring the ? boxes in TA mode? That's currently the main issue i'm seeing in this.
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--- Quote ---and moreover being completely unfair to those who have previously submitted stats.
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As someone who has suffered through a good portion of these ring attacks in rush/rush adventure, I for one am completely willing to sacrifice the hours upon hours of lost time in my life trying to achieve all 50's in a particular stage to have random ring boxes removed from competition for the rest of time, and I'm sure others would feel the same way if it means that these charts end up being substantially more fun to compete in.
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However, I'm not going to support this. ? boxes make things different in competition, in the fact that you have to commit to doing it over and over again if you want to take the game's championship, rather than finding the record, tying the record, and never touching that chart ever again.
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--- Quote from: werster on January 03, 2012, 02:16:56 am ---
--- Quote from: Zeupar on January 02, 2012, 10:54:35 pm ---I don't think that trying to fix errors from the past is a bad idea.
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Now you're just creating more problems than you're solving, and moreover being completely unfair to those who have previously submitted stats.
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It would be unfair if players couldn't influence in the decision, and that's the reason this poll was created.
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And that's why I'm disagreeing with it. It is unfair to me and other players to have wasted our efforts in proving we have the absolute best, luck manipulated stat, just because we don't like luck manipulations. Before you know it, we'll be banning bosses that use luck to determine attack patterns.
All ring attacks are, are obtaining the most amount of rings possible. If it means having to restart to get that 40 or 50 from a ? box, then that is what it will take. Banning something crucial to the concept of an RA kinda destroys the whole point of ring attacks.
Zeupar:
--- Quote from: Luxray on January 03, 2012, 07:58:15 am ---Before you know it, we'll be banning bosses that use luck to determine attack patterns.
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I disagree. Remember that we pursue creating more competition with this because many people don't bother with ring attacks because of ? boxes. I don't think this applies to time charts, because they get a lot of attention even when luck is involved.
Ajavalo:
Personally, I find entertaining to try a Ring attack with random boxes, mainly because I don't mind getting the world record, just my personal record, and I can then replay the levels to attempt a higher Ring count. It only gets frustrating when I try for a dozen times to get all the Rings again, and I end up with 5 or 10 less than my top. I can't say if it's better or worse, just... with greater variety of results.
Now, what you should REALLY look into is Team Chaotix's Ring charts in Sonic Heroes. Whenever Team Blast is in effect, you essentially get one random box per defeated enemy. I find that very awkward, and it greatly differs from the general idea of Ring attacking: some levels offer an easy 999 just from spamming Team Blast, and the amount of randomness is so ridiculous that it reaches nonsense and it's not at all entertaining. Changing this would definitely raise competition there, as well as make Chaotix Rings consistent with other teams'. And the only rule we need is "As Team Chaotix, you can't defeat enemies while under the effects of the Team Blast" for the Rings division, and maybe negating that rule for the Freestyle division.
werster:
Those Heroes charts have an average of like 70 people on them, putting their efforts into a freestyle chart would be ass. Especially considering chaotix rings have levels like seaside hill with that long ass infinite fly, just suddenly turning around and saying, welp too bad we don't like luck, is just compete and utter ass.
Another thing is that surely this is not a priority in fixing up the charts. Whatever happened to those future and past charts for Sonic CD? What happened to Nonaggression and Doomsday ring charts? And how about the classic Sky Chase getting a score chart, but not Scrap Brain 3, Wing Fortress, Lava Reef 2 Knux and Death Egg 2.
And why oh why for bosses, do we track rings but not scores for S3DB, scores but not rings for the Rushes, both rings and scores for Sonic 4 and Sonic 06, and then neither rings or score for Advance 1/2.
Instead of just bringing up more and more issues we should be actually going through every issue with the charts one by one and not stopping until something is actually done about it.
Luxray:
--- Quote from: werster on January 03, 2012, 07:32:56 pm --- and then neither rings or score for Advance 1/2?
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Advance 1: Rings and Scores are tracked for bosses, as they are in act 2.
Advance 2: Infinite Rings Under a time limit.
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