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Offline Mayetala

will this record count...?
« on: February 28, 2009, 08:44:00 pm »
According to this site the world record time for Flying Battery Zone act 2 as Sonic in Sonic & Knuckles is 3:14. My best time in that zone is 3:04, however I am unsure if it will be approved. In order for me to get that time it requires a glitch that starts in act 1 and carries over into act 2. Glitches are part of the game, and that's how many people got these record times but I am unsure if this one will count since it starts in a different level.

I looked in the competition rules for Sonic & Knuckles and it says nothing about glitches.

Will my time count?
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Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 08:49:01 pm »
No, you have to time attack the level. (level select?) So glitches may not roll over.
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Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 10:11:00 pm »
Wrong. That time is legitimate.

I am interested on the particulars of this glitch, though.
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Offline Telnaior

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 10:14:09 pm »
S3&K rules state that you can start the target level via Level Select, OR from the Act 1 signpost. (This means that your carry-over glitch counts, as long as you tagged the act 1 signpost)

However, you'll probably need to record said glitch to be believed.
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Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 03:59:16 am »
Quote from: yse on February 28, 2009, 10:11:00 pm
Wrong. That time is legitimate.

I am interested on the particulars of this glitch, though.

concur'd...

please inform us of the broken sonic!
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Offline FuzZerd

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 07:37:29 am »
I'm guessing he got a slope glitch like in the TAS. but after looking at the TAS it seems you need sonic and tails to perform it so it wouldn't be allowed.
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Offline Muzozavr

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 01:24:18 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the rules govern the time attack by itself, and NOT the pre-level preparation?
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Offline Parax

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 01:59:36 pm »
Quote from: fuzzerd on March 01, 2009, 07:37:29 am
I'm guessing he got a slope glitch like in the TAS. but after looking at the TAS it seems you need sonic and tails to perform it so it wouldn't be allowed.

S+T has been allowed for a while.
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Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 03:26:09 pm »
Quote from: fuzzerd on March 01, 2009, 07:37:29 am
I'm guessing he got a slope glitch like in the TAS. but after looking at the TAS it seems you need sonic and tails to perform it so it wouldn't be allowed.

as para said, S+T ban was repealed a while back... (poor Doug)

Unless you mean that it has to be 2P controlled, in which case it's still disallowed... I don't know the specifics, which makes me even more curious...
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Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 04:25:11 pm »
Quote from: Aitamen on March 01, 2009, 03:26:09 pm
Quote from: fuzzerd on March 01, 2009, 07:37:29 am
I'm guessing he got a slope glitch like in the TAS. but after looking at the TAS it seems you need sonic and tails to perform it so it wouldn't be allowed.

as para said, S+T ban was repealed a while back... (poor Doug)

Unless you mean that it has to be 2P controlled, in which case it's still disallowed... I don't know the specifics, which makes me even more curious...
Yeah, rules needs moar not picking on me :(

Also irrespective of whether it's banned (or will be banned), if you've pulled off something as funky as this sounds you'll get kudos regardless :)
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Offline FuzZerd

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 05:29:18 pm »
well it looks to me like it needs to be tail controlled, but I don't really know how its pulled off in the TAS.  but I thought the repeal was for sonic 2 only and not sonic 3&k.
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Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 05:08:17 am »
Quote from: fuzzerd on March 01, 2009, 05:29:18 pm
well it looks to me like it needs to be tail controlled, but I don't really know how its pulled off in the TAS.  but I thought the repeal was for sonic 2 only and not sonic 3&k.

It was for all games, iirc, sans Sdva1
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Offline Mayetala

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 09:17:10 pm »
Quote from: fuzzerd on March 01, 2009, 07:37:29 am
I'm guessing he got a slope glitch like in the TAS. but after looking at the TAS it seems you need sonic and tails to perform it so it wouldn't be allowed.

Yes, that is exactly what I got, but there is a way to do it with just Sonic alone. And I guess you discovered it too, since you broke my record already XD grats, though.
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Offline FuzZerd

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2009, 01:18:57 am »
no I didn't. I'd still like to know how to get the slope glitch so that I can really pwn this level :/
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Offline Mayetala

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2009, 06:17:30 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e80gVG_tCTk

Watch that video. It is a part of my single segment speed run of Sonic 3 & Knuckles that I have put on YouTube. In that video I finish Flying Battery Act 1 in 1:55 and Flying Battery Act 2 in 3:08, as I have already submitted. I pull off the glitch somewhat successfully, although if I get it 100% smoothly my best time is 3:01. It starts out in Mushroom Hill Act 2 so you can skip past that if you want.
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Offline FuzZerd

Re: will this record count...?
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2009, 05:34:29 pm »
well I put my 2:58 on youtube now. and managed to use the slope glitch to get 2:52 thanks for the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYfB_-MPvqs

I think that the glitch I used towards the end is a little bit harder on console because the keyboard is a bit more accurate.
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