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So all this year I've been progressively more and more in love with this girl I'm living with. It's been difficult to deal with for a number of reasons: apart from the fact that she doesn't feel the same way, she has alot of personal problems, has been into self-harming, I think was abused as a child (not by her parents, thankfully), can't stand being touched, and so on. In particular since her boyfriend broke up with her around this time last year she's been really messed up about him. It was bad enough when they were together, as she doesn't enjoy sex (certainly not with him, anyway), but he would still insist on it, and wouldn't give her the support she really needed, but the past six or nine months or so have been really rough. Long story short, he started using her for sex, and she knows it's hurting her but she lets him doing it because she feels she needs him or something (she's going on a big trip this summer after uni and is apparently worried none of her other friends will give her a place to stay afterwards, so maybe she's doing it to guarantee he'll take her in or something, I don't really know, it might just be a general feeling of dependance, he IS the only real relationship she's ever had).

This has, of course, been very hard on me. All this year I was the person she turned to when she was feeling miserable about him. In fact, several times after he seduced her (and even before then) she'd talk to me and say how much she hated him for doing it, and how she'd never let it happen again. And, in fact, after months of this, she decided she was going to break up with him properly, but he managed to weasel his way out of it. She promised me and herself that she was going to keep it just friends after this, that she'd spent too long feeling confused and insecure thanks to him, that she wasn't going to let him play her for a fool anymore, and that if he tried to get sex out of her again she'd tell him where to go. But a week ago she started sleeping with him again. This was the last straw for me. Up until that point I will freely admit to being jealous: I AM in love with her, and I do find her ridiculously attractive. However, when I found out about this time, all that faded. I was just angry, more angry than I'd ever been in my life, at him for doing this to her, and at her for letting him do it. I lost it, confronted her and shouted at her for it, and of course, I hit the nerve and she reacted badly, and has stopped talking to me. I've felt awful the past couple of days because of it, as I felt I'd pushed her away where I should've been supportive and receptive. I'd let my emotions get the better of me and had lost all the trust she'd placed in me over the past year.

And last night he was in again, and I knew he'd have got her into bed again (in fact, he's still in the house as I type this, it's the morning). And I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't stand to see her do this to herself, and I felt personally responsible, that because she hates me she might even be going further with him to spite me. I was literally standing in the kitchen with a knife at my wrists, wishing I could either kill myself or go into her room and kill him. And I'm not even exaggerating. I'd never felt so horrible about anything in my life. My first (only, lol) breakup was deeply traumatic, and I was depressed for about a year afterwards, but that was a purely selfish, internal feeling. It came purely from inside myself, and once I'd cried it out it was gone. But this came from something I couldn't even help anymore, as I'd destroyed any trust she'd ever placed in me. I'd already, literally, cried all the tears I had, and now I wanted to cry more but physically couldn't. I was begging God to help me, to give me the strength to deal with this, not because I'd ever been religious, but out of sheer desperation. I literally could not cope anymore.

Eventually I pulled myself together and decided to just go to bed (it was 3 in the morning at this point). I was getting ready, but just before I lay down, I felt an impulse, and sent a text to a mutual friend saying that her ex was destroying her life and I couldn't watch it anymore. A couple of minutes later, we're talking on the phone about it, and he's assuring me I'm right and not to take it personally (he's known her longer than I have), saying he's glad I called, as he hadn't spoken to her in a while and hadn't known exactly what was going on lately (though he'd always known the relationship was harmful), and saying that he'll call her today and arrange to meet up with her and maybe another friend, just for drinks, and he'll bring it up tactfully and talk to her about it, because he knows that she knows she's wrong, even if she told me it was none of my business. I'd spoken to friends about all this already, but it was always on a "Please help me deal with this" basis, rather than "Help me help her". I'd just never thought to ask that way.

And after we hung up, I felt more relieved than I'd ever felt in my life. All feelings of anger and sorrow had gone, and I just knew that somehow I'd get through it all, and with help from friends I'd help her through it. And I realised something I'd never expected. That what gave me that impulse to send that text...was God.

Now, I know some people will have closed the window there. But please bear with me. I've never been religious. I've always been sceptical of Christian dogma (still am, certainly until I read the Bible). And I'm not going to go all evangelical on you. But I realised that I'd had the whole "God" thing pegged wrong all my life, either because I've been given the wrong message or just given myself the wrong idea. I realised that God is strength: he's what helps you get through things that seem unbearable. He may not be a literal omnipotent, omniscient being in the sky; he may just be some intangible force; he may genuinely be something we've invented ourselves to deal with problems. But at the end of the day, I feel he's a name put to something that manifests differently for different people. And for me, in that instance, that strength that I'd begged for so desperately, that I'd bared my soul and literally prostrate myself in desperation of, was that mad impulse to send that text. It was my friends. My ability to depend on my friends. The qualities in me that have made me able to earn these friends. The qualities in my parents that made them raise me with these same qualities. And so on. And knowing that, I felt I could deal with anything.

As I said, I won't go all evangelical. I'm not going to start saying "You need to turn to God or you'll go to Hell!" For one thing, that doesn't work, and you can harp on about your "Duty to spread the word of God", but if it doesn't work you're just massaging your own ego. But also, I feel that when people say things like that, what they really mean is "You need to turn to my God". And I really, truly feel that God is different for different people. Of course, he'll manifest as friends for alot of people. But it'll be a different feeling for everyone. And for some it'll be strength from within. For some it'll be strength gained from a single other person. And, yes, for some it will be church and the traditional Christian teachings. What it is doesn't matter, all that matters is that it's found.

So I guess where I'm going with this, is that I hope somehow this story touches a few of you and makes you think a bit more about your lot in life. Think a bit more about what you've got and what, or who, you can turn to in times of need. You may think I'm spewing a load of crap, but as long as you find your "strength", even if you don't know it as "God", you'll have reached a certain stage in your life that I feel everybody should.

So yeah, sorry for those desperately hoping for a Bel-Air (it would've been pretty fucking epic), but I felt I needed to say this somewhere, even just a Sonic the Hedgehog forum. If you've read this far, thanks for your attention.
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Okay holy shit. o_O

For starters, perhaps I'm just predisposed not to believe in this sort of thing, but I know where you're going with the "intangible force" thing (because my dad talks about it all the time), and while I respect that's how you see it, I think you ought to give yourself credit where credit is due. Really, what you've done is come up with a solution to a problem, and I don't need any intangible force to tell me how to solve a problem.

I don't feel as though the belief that you can overcome any adversity needs to be passed on to you from some intangible force, either. Sorry if I'm sounding harsh, I really don't mean to (I certainly don't wish the above story upon anyone, either from yours or your friend's position) but that's just how I see it. But, you know, each to their own. I certainly don't believe what you're saying is a "load of crap", I'm just seeing it in my own way.

And now my attention turns to your friend, because there's clearly something there that is causing her dependence on this guy that needs to be worked through. I hope that goes alright.

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No offence taken, I welcome skepticism! I know what you're saying, and certainly the belief that anything good you have isn't something you've earned but that has just been given to you by God because he's just that awesome has never sat well with me. I'm kind of talking about the whole thing in a more abstract way than a literal hand guiding you. As I said, it's manifest, for me, in my friends, my own qualities that have helped me earn them, my parents etc. I was given the tools, it was up to me to use them, kind of thing, maybe. It's kind of hard to get across, and I'm still only half sure what I think of it myself (nobody solves all the questions of a belief system, even their own personal one, overnight).

This does all sound a bit embarassing now, but I stick by it, as I've never felt the way I did last night before, or anything close.

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I've never had such an experience or epiphany such as you describe, so it's not for me to comment.  Certainly I feel you're correct that everyone experiences such things differently.  My personal feeling on organized religion is it's a combination of such individual feelings and community sentiment - both of inclusion/self-validation and fellow-feeling (see, it's not just me, I'm not mad!).  What I would say from first-hand experience is feeling 'God' as you describe is one thing, becoming dependent on such is the path to madness (not that I'm suggesting you're on it, mind!).

Anyway, that's my two pence/cents worth.  I find it remarkable (in a good way) that people are able to be as open as you on the intertubes, although maybe I'm just a self-centered recluse :)
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How do you see such a universally positive sentient force intervening on behalf of an individual, but not upon a collective? Is it truly ignorant of such events as genocide, or does it choose not to inspire for some mysterious, deeper meaning which makes the butchering of humanity a worthy sacrifice?

Not to attack you, and also not to be self-centered with respect to my previous point, but I've had such a terrible lot in life that I think such a being either does not exist or is fickle to the point of contemptability.


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have you ever confronted the guy your friend has been sleeping with?
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@ magnum (I think that's your old name anyway...)
It's as I said, I don't see it (I'm saying "it" here rather than "him") not so much as a big omniscient, supposedly benevolent being sitting in the sky, but as a strength that people have to discover for themselves somehow. You may feel you've had a terrible lot in life but you've got through it somehow, so maybe you've found something specific that's helped you get through it already. Maybe you haven't, but hopefully you will somebday. And it's as I say, you may not even know it as "God".

Yeah that's not a completely satisfactory answer, and it may seem like I'm avoiding the subject. I mean, the way I'm describing the whole thing it sounds far too fuzzy to identify as "God" or anything else in particular. But please understand that I have no intention of trying to impose my newfound and unmatured belief system on other people. I pretty much just spewed my raw feelings onto the keyboard as a form of release, but also with some hope of touching somebody even just a bit.

@ SJ, hell no, that would be a TERRIBLE idea. She would, naturally, side with him in the inevitable ensuing argument, which would result in her getting closer to him and distancing herself more from me, and, consequently, from all the other friends she has at uni (including the guy I spoke to last night). It's extremely unlikely that I'd change his mind about anything, and thus would achieve nothing good.

Small update: Annoyingly he's still about, it looks like he's going to be staying all week, which means we're probably going to have to wait before doing anything.

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I'm with SJ on this. The cycle of abuse has to break and it has to break now. Obviously this jerk wad (*is about to borrow some words from Oswald's book) has no idea what it's like to be used. (*end quote). Not to mention he's the kind of pig that gives all dudes a bad name. Next time he tries anything, stand up to him and tell him you will not allow him to continue hurting her and that she is not an object. I know what its like to wind up helping women deal with their emotional baggage. I really don't want to discuss the details of my incident since they aren't very plesant (far worse than the example here).
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Do you really think that would work? I know she and probably he (if she's told him about me) will just see me as a creepy jealous asshole, and there's absolutely no way I'm going to change his mind about anything if that's how I'm perceived. What's more, even though he always hurts her in the long run, she's actually apparently very happy when he's taking her out. This is why it's so difficult. If he's about she will side with him, no questions asked, because even if she didn't want to he could manipulate her into doing so. And, as I said, this would result in her becoming closer to him and more distanced from me (and she already shuts out the rest of the world when she's with him as it is). Even if I didn't set out to have an argument with him it'd turn into one, I just don't really have that level of tact and self-control, and any argument would turn ugly.

I'll bring up the idea with other friends, though, who know him better.

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