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Sonic Heroes - Team Blast Glitch [Resolved] (updates in first post)
yse:
Look, we all know it needs doing. Charts like this have to be made a thing of the past.
If we're making a freestyle division, it needs to be known which levels should be included in it. Anyone can add/remove from this list in future posts - this is my best estimation of what needs to happen:
TIMES
Sonic - Mystic Mansion, Egg Fleet, Final Fortress
Dark - all
Rose - Egg Fleet, Final Fortress
Chaotix - Grand Metropolis, Power Plant, Mystic Mansion, Egg Fleet, Final Fortress
EXTRA
Dark - all
Rose - same as times
Chaotix - same as times, plus Ocean Palace and Hang Castle
BOSSES
All Robot Carnivals/Storms
Dark EH, EA, EE - how beneficial is this for the other teams? I think Egg Albatross in particular benefits from TBG in all teams
Metal Madness
RINGS
Chaotix - I'm taking suggestions here. People are saying we should allow TBG here to avoid the horribly slow process of building up a TB manually - I vote against this as it affects scores. Opinions?
SCORES
Put simply, straight ban on TBG here is my opinion. It gets too fiddly otherwise.
At this stage people should nominate levels in which they used TBG, and when submissions go up change them back or incur Rolken's wrath.
My list is: (from an earlier topic)
TIMES
PP - Chaotix
EXTRA
PP - Chaotix again. As you can see I never did these to any great level heh.
BOSSES
Egg Hawk - Dark
Egg Albatross - All
Egg Emperor - Dark
Metal Madness
But I'll fix them up when submissions are re-enabled, so by then it won't matter. I completed the whole game again just for this purpose. :D
EDIT: note that on the Dark bosses in particular, the line between non-TBG and TBG is very, very obvious. Anybody who doesn't comply/doesn't come here anymore can just have their times removed as far as I'm concerned.
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RULING: 26/1/07 by yse
All stats which are known to have used TBG have been suspended. Point out any I may have missed and we can request an explanation or remove the offending stats.
TBG will be permitted for ring counts, but any scores or times obtained on the same run are void. (ProTip: if you think you're going too well, hang around at the goal ring for a while)
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Players/stats being challenged
Onryou
videogamemaster777
Groudon:
--- Quote from: yse on December 04, 2006, 05:09:29 am ---TIMES
Sonic - Mystic Mansion, Egg Fleet, Final Fortress
Dark - all
Rose - Egg Fleet, Final Fortress
Chaotix - Power Plant, Mystic Mansion, Egg Fleet, Final Fortress
--- End quote ---
Only 2 I have a problem with is the 2 for Team Rose. To be honest, I haven't found any good use for TBG on those 2 levels with Team Rose. Most people should have their TB gauge full "normally" way before the 2 areas where a TB would be beneficial (the first hammer robot on FF can be easily defeated without TB).
--- Quote from: yse on December 04, 2006, 05:09:29 am ---EXTRA
Dark - all
Rose - same as times
Chaotix - same as times
--- End quote ---
Again, Rose.
--- Quote from: yse on December 04, 2006, 05:09:29 am ---BOSSES
All Robot Carnivals/Storms
Dark EH, EA, EE - how beneficial is this for the other teams? I think Egg Albatross in particular benefits from TBG in all teams
Metal Madness
--- End quote ---
No objections yet.
--- Quote from: yse on December 04, 2006, 05:09:29 am ---RINGS
Chaotix - I'm taking suggestions here. People are saying we should allow TBG here to avoid the horribly slow process of building up a TB manually - I vote against this as it affects scores. Opinions?
--- End quote ---
Now there's the problem. I think there's no way to know if a stat for Chaotix rings was TBGed or not (outside video). I say allow TBG here.
--- Quote ---SCORES
Put simply, straight ban on TBG here is my opinion. It gets too fiddly otherwise.
--- End quote ---
I'm not big on SAing anything other than Shadow, so I can't say anything about this one.
sonicam:
Ok, this is probably going to be another failed topic, but I'll post in it anywayz.
For Egg Fleet, I don't see how it's beneficial for times, except you mean only to use it at the E-1000 robots. Even then, you should already have a TB ready, like Groudon said. I agree on everything else though. It really shouldn't matter what stages they effect to great detail, effecting Dark so much and giving unlimited invulunerablities/speedups/levelups with Rose is enough for straight up banning.
Yes, I agree on Extra.
For bosses, I'm not too sure. I'm sure PsyBorg whored TBG for all of his records. I don't know about Egg Hawk though since his records are close to mine and I didn't use it. For Egg Hawk and Emperor it's not smart to use TBG, Albatross is though.
Banning TBG from Chaotix rings is stupid to be honest. All it does is makes the levels so much more long and annoying. Doing ring runs won't give you a good score, I can assure you. Speed and robot death are key and TB makes chains kills shorter.
For Scores, yes TBG can be benificial for some situations. Taking down hammer robots or E-1000s and to ensure some chains.
TBG can make things better and worse, it's all about planning, but still, it should be banned. Enough already. ;/
Long story short, ban TBG from all divisions except Rings-Chaotix.
I'm still not too sure on what I TBGed, I'm sure it was only for some Dark bosses (the ones that have comments on them) and I think one of the Robot Waves with Rose, I really have to try out some of the bosses again and see if I can get the same time without TBG, but I'm sick and tired of playing Heroes... ;/
About just having times removed just because they don't come here is like the only reason why I say Freestyle even though it's pretty much a waste.
magnum12:
-That list is pretty good. I think you should add Ocean Palace and Hang Castle to the Extra Chaotix missions section, since stealth missions probably could benefit from TBG.
-As far as my times go, here's what I used it on. (I think I mentioned these before though.)
Seaside Hill: Both Dark missions.
Ocean Palace: Both Dark missions.
Grand Metropolis: Both Dark missions.
Egg Hawk: Dark
Egg Albatross: Sonic, Dark
Robot Carnival: Dark
Robot Storm: Dark
Egg Emperor: Dark (My 47 second time is legit.)
Metal Madness.
Spinballwizard:
--- Quote from: sonicam on December 04, 2006, 10:51:12 am ---Long story short, ban TBG from all divisions except Rings-Chaotix.
--- End quote ---
My opinion, it has to be all or nothing. Because quite frankly, TBG could, depending on the number of enemies in a level and how many appear onscreen at a time, completely throw away ring competition for Chaotix. In a sense, with TBG active, RAing Chaotix is more about luck than skill, which is why casino levels get tossed already. I wasn't really a fan of Chaotix rings anyways. :/
Albeit there's still room to manipulate parts without TBG, and depending on the number of enemies and the number of rings you get from them you could get a decent charge on your next TB quite quickly.
That said, I've never knowingly used TBG, except maybe on Egg Emperor Sonic, but I mash square on that (and the other teams) while in the air when he's standing still. (I have near or max level Tails anyways, which is more effective for me.) But Not really anywhere else.
Also, I believe the point was made that TBG on some dark levels is actually slower at points. (If I recall, yoshifan's Grand Metropolis vid uses no TBG.)
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