[Marth]

I don't have Sonic Shuffle, and I'd hate to have to use Chankast.
I have Gems Collection, so I could do Sonic the Fighters,
but like with most games other than SA, I'd be playing semi-casually.
(I could at least start by submitting what I have saved.)
About other stuff, like the Game Gear games... nah... I have them in SADX,
but there are a bunch of games I'd play first, including SA2 (haven't really
played that in a while), SH (I plan to get a bunch of new submissions in,
once I get around to playing with those teams), Sonic CD (I've gotten pretty good,
although I've beaten very few staff times), and Sonic Drift (I wasn't bad, but I
stopped playing for some reason).

EDIT: Making it more clear... I don't even have Sonic Shuffle on the PC. I've never played it.
I'd have to "borrow" someone else's internet connection to download it.
Maybe I'll get a job, and maybe I'll buy a Dreamcast, and maybe I'll get Sonic Shuffle for it...
blah. It's not looking really likely with all those "maybe"s. Anyway, the point is that
I haven't played it, and I haven't even done time-attacking for all the games I own.

[KnucklesSonic8]

I don't have Sonic Shuffle, and I'd hate to have to use Chankast.
I have Gems Collection, so I could do Sonic the Fighters,
but like with most games other than SA, I'd be playing semi-casually.
(I could at least start by submitting what I have saved.)
About other stuff, like the Game Gear games... nah... I have them in SADX,
but there are a bunch of games I'd play first, including SA2 (haven't really
played that in a while), SH (I plan to get a bunch of new submissions in,
once I get around to playing with those teams), Sonic CD (I've gotten pretty good,
although I've beaten very few staff times), and Sonic Drift (I wasn't bad, but I
stopped playing for some reason).

You gave me an idea. In the next post, I'll start counting how many support the Fighters and Shuffle ideas! Thanks for your support for Fighters.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Sonic the Fighters:

Here is everything so far - correct me if I'm wrong: (Will save now and modify gradually).
____________________

Times Division:
1. South Island [Sonic]
2. South Island [Tails]
3. South Island [Knuckles]
4. South Island [Amy]
5. South Island [Espio]
6. South Island [Bark]
7. South Island [Bean]
8. South Island [Fang]
9. Flying Carpet [Sonic]
10. Flying Carpet [Tails]
11. Flying Carpet [Knuckles]
12. Flying Carpet [Amy]
13. Flying Carpet [Espio]
14. Flying Carpet [Bark]
15. Flying Carpet [Bean]
16. Flying Carpet [Fang]
17. Aurora Icefield [Sonic]
18. Aurora Icefield [Tails]
19. Aurora Icefield [Knuckles]
20. Aurora Icefield [Amy]
21. Aurora Icefield [Espio]
22. Aurora Icefield [Bark]
23. Aurora Icefield [Bean]
24. Aurora Icefield [Fang]
25. Mushroom Hill [Sonic]
26. Mushroom Hill [Tails]
27. Mushroom Hill [Knuckles]
28. Mushroom Hill [Amy]
29. Mushroom Hill [Espio]
30. Mushroom Hill [Bark]
31. Mushroom Hill [Bean]
32. Mushroom Hill [Fang]
33. Canyon Cruise [Sonic]
34. Canyon Cruise [Tails]
35. Canyon Cruise [Knuckles]
36. Canyon Cruise [Amy]
37. Canyon Cruise [Espio]
38. Canyon Cruise [Bark]
39. Canyon Cruise [Bean]
40. Canyon Cruise [Fang]
41. Casino Night [Sonic]
42. Casino Night [Tails]
43. Casino Night [Knuckles]
44. Casino Night [Amy]
45. Casino Night [Espio]
46. Casino Night [Bark]
47. Casino Night [Bean]
48. Casino Night [Fang]
49. Dynamite Plant [Sonic]
50. Dynamite Plant [Tails]
51. Dynamite Plant [Knuckles]
52. Dynamite Plant [Amy]
53. Dynamite Plant [Espio]
54. Dynamite Plant [Bark]
55. Dynamite Plant [Bean]
56. Dynamite Plant [Fang]
57. Giant Wing [Sonic]
58. Giant Wing [Tails]
59. Giant Wing [Knuckles]
60. Giant Wing [Amy]
61. Giant Wing [Espio]
62. Giant Wing [Bark]
63. Giant Wing [Bean]
64. Giant Wing [Fang]
65. Death Egg's Eye [Sonic]
66. Death Egg's Eye [Tails]
67. Death Egg's Eye [Knuckles]
68. Death Egg's Eye [Amy]
69. Death Egg's Eye [Espio]
70. Death Egg's Eye [Bark]
71. Death Egg's Eye [Bean]
72. Death Egg's Eye [Fang]
73. Death Egg's Eye [Super Sonic]
74. Robotnik's Hangar [Sonic]
75. Robotnik's Hangar [Tails]
76. Robotnik's Hangar [Knuckles]
77. Robotnik's Hangar [Amy]
78. Robotnik's Hangar [Espio]
79. Robotnik's Hangar [Bark]
80. Robotnik's Hangar [Bean]
81. Robotnik's Hangar [Fang]
82. Robotnik's Hangar [Super Sonic]
83. All [Sonic]
84. All [Tails]
85. All [Knuckles]
86. All [Amy]
87. All [Espio]
88. All [Bark]
89. All [Bean]
90. All [Fang]

Special Rules:
-You are not allowed to change the default time - 30 seconds - for a match. It must stay as is and cannot be reduced [or increased] or your time will not count.
-You are allowed to use Hyper Mode as many times as you like.
-All submissions and records must be made on Normal Difficulty.
-All other options must be left to their defaults for your times to count. This includes 'Barrier: 5', 'Hyper Mode: On', 'Automatic: Off', 'Damage: Low', 'Energy Max: Normal', and 'Match Count: 2'.
-If you become Super Sonic on the last level, your final clear time can count towards the "All [Sonic]" category.
-You are not allowed to use Hyper Mode nor are you allowed to transform into Super Sonic on the last level if you compete in a Freestyle competition.

[Bilan]

[What about a Final Clear Time? How would we word that?]

"All" would probably be most appropriate

[KnucklesSonic8]

^^ Thanks for your help. That's the word I was looking for! ;)

[KnucklesSonic8]

Sonic Shuffle Supporters:
1. knuckles_sonic8 (duh!)
2. RPGnutter
3. gs93
4. F-Man
5. mike89

Sonic the Fighters Supporters:
1. knuckles_sonic8 (again, duh!)
2. RPGnutter
3. gs93
4. F-Man
5. mike89
6. douglas [I assumed you wanted it here. No?]
7. magnum12
8. Marth
9. PsyBorg
10. Groudon199
11. Shadow Jacky
 
Unknown/Neutral Positions:
1. Shadow Jacky
2. eggFL
3. Marth [Shuffle]
4. magnum12 [Shuffle]
5. douglas [Shuffle]
6. PsyBorg [Shuffle]
7. mike89 [Shuffle]

Note: Since Sonic Drift [for game Gear] has only about 15 Players or so and other games have less, I speculate 12-15 for Fighters and 8 or 10-15 for Shuffle should suffice.

If you don't want your name here, I'll remove it off the list upon request. If you want your name added, likewise, post a request. Thanks to everyone who has supported thus far.

[PsyBorg]

STF competition would be pro. I am totally for what Mike said, but unlike Douglas, I support multiple characters because it calls for more diversity in strategy. It's not like the strategy you have with Bark will work with Amy, so why not have more instead of less?

[KnucklesSonic8]

STF competition would be pro. I am totally for what Mike said, but unlike Douglas, I support multiple characters because it calls for more diversity in strategy. It's not like the strategy you have with Bark will work with Amy, so why not have more instead of less?

Great! One more supporter. What do you tihnk about the Shuffle idea?

[Groudon]

I can agree with the Sonic the Fighters idea, since I have Gems.  I can't say anything about Shuffle, since I don't have the game.
1 other thing.  How would the time be decided?  Would it be the default number of rounds (submissions would be the time displayed after the level) or a single round (submissions would be the default time minus time left on the clock)?

[KnucklesSonic8]

I can agree with the Sonic the Fighters idea, since I have Gems.  I can't say anything about Shuffle, since I don't have the game.
1 other thing.  How would the time be decided?  Would it be the default number of rounds (submissions would be the time displayed after the level) or a single round (submissions would be the default time minus time left on the clock)?

Most likely time displayed. Unless someone has another idea?

[Bilan]

I can agree with the Sonic the Fighters idea, since I have Gems.  I can't say anything about Shuffle, since I don't have the game.
1 other thing.  How would the time be decided?  Would it be the default number of rounds (submissions would be the time displayed after the level) or a single round (submissions would be the default time minus time left on the clock)?

Most likely time displayed. Unless someone has another idea?

To word that into a rule for you

"Times Division"

You must play Best of 3 Rounds on Normal difficulty for your clear time to be valid.

That sound ok?

[Thorn]

^^Basically, we use the default rules for everything suggested in this topic.  Couldn't be simpler.
*remains hopeful*

[Bilan]

"Options must be left to their defaults for your clear times to count."

Sound good to the rest of you?

[Thorn]

Well, we need to state what the default is, to sound professional.  And to erase all doubt.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Default is... 30 sec?

[Thorn]

30 sec, low damage, full HP bar, two rounds to win a match, hyper-mode/Super Sonic on.

*note to those that haven't played:  getting Super Sonic is hard as hell.  Trust me, it's not cheap at all.  It's truly something you earn.

EDIT: noticed some things you asked that never got answered.  Tractor Beam Tag was crossed out because it's totally random who is free from the beam and can get rings.  Super Sonic needs a Death Egg's Eye division.  And Super Sonic All should be merged with Sonic All, they're more than close enough.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Thanks. I'll make changes.

[F-Man]

I love your dedication, you're doing everything (about Shuffle) I had been planning to do in the last few days, that's great.

As for Over the Rainbow: I think scores is out of the question, especially if there is no counter (...is there one?).  And gs93 made a good point.

I also don't think stages is a good idea. In story, you can't decide which one to go to, that'd be long and painful especially just to play the 4th Dimension. And even if done in Versus mode, the stages are just way too long, and it too much random based. Sometime random is good, it you can manipulate luck enough (i.e. Hunting stages in SA*), but that's taking it too far.

I also think we should look at mini-games that are really easy to max-out, in terms of rings, best score and best time. We usually let these kind of stages here on TSC just for completion, but if Shuffle happened to have too many of them, maybe we should remove some.

As for how to get it added, I don't think the problem lies on if it'll be accepted. Hell, Sonic Jam for the game.com got accepted, for purposes of general completion, and I'm the only one who probably even has this game here. The problem is that Rolken is really lazy, like "holy shit how does the guy even manage to walk" lazy. :P And to add to thigns, he's not really here anymore, something about visiting Europe, I dunno.

EDIT: what the- there's a 3rd and 4th page?! Oh well, I hope I'm not too behind on things.

And yeah, I've mostly just been talking about Shuffle, but I'd be pro Sonic the Fighters as well, even though I have no way to play it (except some lousy emulator), and probably wouldn't compete in it either.

[Thorn]

^Always love extra support.  And even if there are games that're freebies to max out, it means you have to work at it to get it.  Like Psychic Sonic has a high max (135, 165, or something), but it takes dedication.  And good eyesight.

Good point with stages, too.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Updated Shuffle post. Satisfied the proposals of gs93 and F-Man I hope by eliminating sub-divisions for Stages - Story/Versus. I changed it. Still not sure about Rainbow [self-count], and Tractor Beam [when it is your turn, then you can go for Rings; it's skill avoiding them; good competition despite 'randomness'].

Updated Fighters - missed that about Death Egg for SS. Did hangar instead. :P

Doing a post for Heroes soon.

EDIT 2: Shadow Jackty supports Fighters - makes 11 now!

[KnucklesSonic8]

Sonic Heroes:

Here is everything so far: (Will save now and modify gradually).

Scores Division:
1. Bonus Challenge 1 (Sonic)
2. Bonus Challenge 1 (Dark)
3. Bonus Challenge 1 (Rose)
4. Bonus Challenge 1 (Chaotix)
5. Bonus Challenge 2 (Sonic)
6. Bonus Challenge 2 (Dark)
7. Bonus Challenge 2 (Rose)
8. Bonus Challenge 2 (Chaotix)
9. Bonus Challenge 3 (Sonic)
10. Bonus Challenge 3 (Dark)
11. Bonus Challenge 3 (Rose)
12. Bonus Challenge 3 (Chaotix)
13. Bonus Challenge 4 (Sonic)
14. Bonus Challenge 4 (Dark)
15. Bonus Challenge 4 (Rose)
16. Bonus Challenge 4 (Chaotix)
17. Bonus Challenge 5 (Sonic)
18. Bonus Challenge 5 (Dark)
19. Bonus Challenge 5 (Rose)
20. Bonus Challenge 5 (Chaotix)
21. Bonus Challenge 6 (Sonic)
22. Bonus Challenge 6 (Dark)
23. Bonus Challenge 6 (Rose)
24. Bonus Challenge 6 (Chaotix)
25. Bonus Challenge 7 (Sonic)
26. Bonus Challenge 7 (Dark)
27. Bonus Challenge 7 (Rose)
28. Bonus Challenge 7 (Chaotix)
29. Emerald Challenge 1 (Sonic)
30. Emerald Challenge 1 (Dark)
31. Emerald Challenge 1 (Rose)
32. Emerald Challenge 1 (Chaotix)
33. Emerald Challenge 2 (Sonic)
34. Emerald Challenge 2 (Dark)
35. Emerald Challenge 2 (Rose)
36. Emerald Challenge 2 (Chaotix)
37. Emerald Challenge 3 (Sonic)
38. Emerald Challenge 3 (Dark)
39. Emerald Challenge 3 (Rose)
40. Emerald Challenge 3 (Chaotix)
41. Emerald Challenge 4 (Sonic)
42. Emerald Challenge 4 (Dark)
43. Emerald Challenge 4 (Rose)
44. Emerald Challenge 4 (Chaotix)
45. Emerald Challenge 5 (Sonic)
46. Emerald Challenge 5 (Dark)
47. Emerald Challenge 5 (Rose)
48. Emerald Challenge 5 (Chaotix)
49. Emerald Challenge 6 (Sonic)
50. Emerald Challenge 6 (Dark)
51. Emerald Challenge 6 (Rose)
52. Emerald Challenge 6 (Chaotix)
53. Emerald Challenge 7 (Sonic)
54. Emerald Challenge 7 (Dark)
55. Emerald Challenge 7 (Rose)
56. Emerald Challenge 7 (Chaotix)

57. Total (Sonic)
58. Total (Dark)
59. Total (Rose)
60. Total (Chaotix)

61. Overall - Most Links (Sonic)
62. Overall - Most Links (Dark)
63. Overall - Most Links (Rose)
64. Overall - Most Links (Chaotix)

Notes:
???

Special Rules:
???

[KnucklesSonic8]

Heroes post is up but I have a few questions:

1. Should we have a Freestyle for Fighters - no Hyper Mode?? Cool, huh? Or not? What do you think?
2. I'm still debating, for Shuffle, if Tractor Beam Tag, Egg in Space, and Over the Rainbow should be included. Any more opinions on the matter?

EDIT: 3. For Shuffle, one of the rules states:

"Submissions for Stages can be done in either Story Mode or Versus Mode. However, in Story Mode, your Ring Score must be the amount of rings you have when the Final Precioustone is collected since there is no way of telling how many rings you recieve during the Final Mini-Game to follow. (In other words: Rings collected in the Final Mini-Game do not count towards your final score.)"

I'm having trouble wording this properly. Can anyone help? And, if it won't count in Story, will it count in Versus? Does that mean we can now only have scores in Versus? I'm so confused now...

[Groudon]

I rarely use Hyper Mode, but a Freestyle for Hyper Mode sounds good.

[KnucklesSonic8]

I rarely use Hyper Mode, but a Freestyle for Hyper Mode sounds good.

All-righty then! Thanks. I thought it was a good idea.

[KnucklesSonic8]

I love your dedication, you're doing everything (about Shuffle) I had been planning to do in the last few days, that's great.

Hey thanks!

As for Over the Rainbow: I think scores is out of the question, especially if there is no counter (...is there one?). 

Nope. I had in mind a self-count.

I also don't think stages is a good idea. In story, you can't decide which one to go to, that'd be long and painful especially just to play the 4th Dimension. And even if done in Versus mode, the stages are just way too long, and it too much random based. Sometime random is good, it you can manipulate luck enough (i.e. Hunting stages in SA*), but that's taking it too far.

Changed it. I would definitely like to keep the Stages. There's a lot of potential there.

I also think we should look at mini-games that are really easy to max-out, in terms of rings, best score and best time. We usually let these kind of stages here on TSC just for completion, but if Shuffle happened to have too many of them, maybe we should remove some.

We eliminated some of them - me and gs93. Most of the rest don't have maxes, generally speaking.

As for how to get it added, I don't think the problem lies on if it'll be accepted. Hell, Sonic Jam for the game.com got accepted, for purposes of general completion, and I'm the only one who probably even has this game here. The problem is that Rolken is really lazy, like "holy shit how does the guy even manage to walk" lazy. :P And to add to thigns, he's not really here anymore, something about visiting Europe, I dunno.

Well that's good news! :(
What about a different Admin.?

[KnucklesSonic8]

^Always love extra support.  And even if there are games that're freebies to max out, it means you have to work at it to get it.  Like Psychic Sonic has a high max (135, 165, or something), but it takes dedication.  And good eyesight.

That's a great example.

[F-Man]

As I said, easy ones to max out are usually kept, for the completion and yes, also for the dedication to earn the points (or points loss since it works in that way). But still, my point is we should look at those that are just too easy to max out, and if there are too many, think about removing them.

[Thorn]

^True.  I'm just too lazy to start looking at the list and sift through them.

knuckles_sonic8, I know what you're saying about Tractor Beam Tag, but I think my point carries more weight:  if there's no set way to end up as the lone player (who is the only one that can collect rings), then it's luck based and not skill based.  And, personally, luck is not my thing...

I tried competitng against myself today, to see if there are some kinks to work out, and despite only having played a few games I noticed some.

• Why in the world did are Rings divisions split by character?  Think of how we do SAdv3... there's tons of options for characters, so we compress them into one for easy competition.  The special moves/attacks in Shuffle aren't reason enough for a split IMO.
• We need to note that the default 10 Rings given in the Toy Box mode count, and that in Story/Versus mode you have to tack on an extra 10 to match it.
• In the 1 vs. 3 games that are dependant on teamwork (most of the 1 vs. 3s have no team strategy whatsoever), it should be okay to record a time if a teammate finishes the game and you don't or are knocked out.  Off the top of my head, Wrong Way Climb and Gargantua come to mind (someone usually has to bait the lone player in those games, so the others can accomplish something).
• I know for a fact that if I tried to count correct moves in Over the Rainbow and press buttons at the same time, I'd slip.  Or lose count.  And I think the rest of the board would back me up on that if they played the game.
• How does this next Fighters rule make sense?

  You are not allowed to use Hyper Mode nor are you allowed to transform into Super Sonic on the last level if you compete in a Freestyle competition.

    The game FORCES you to use Hyper Mode in the last bout.  No go with that rule, so remove the Hangar submissions.

Other than random oddities, it's coming along great, though.

[Shadow Jacky]

those special stages for heroes are for score only right?  also, "most links" sounds good...but wouldn't score and links go hand and hand unless there's some cap on the links where the bonus link score wont go any higher.

well anyway, whatever works.

[Bilan]

You are not allowed to use Hyper Mode nor are you allowed to transform into Super Sonic on the last level if you compete in a Freestyle competition.

  The game FORCES you to use Hyper Mode in the last bout.  No go with that rule, so remove the Hangar submissions.

Just change that too "You may not use Hyper Mode or Super Sonic for any levels aside friom where you have no other option EG Hangar"?