[Groudon]

Well, at least for Sonic '06, Times, Rings, and Scores divisions will be implanted (and maybe Secret Rings).  Can't say much about Rivals, since I don't plan to get it.

[KnucklesSonic8]

I can deal with Rivals since I AM getting it. Most likely Time and Rings. Score not so sure.

Sonic '06: yeah, it'll have Times, Rings and Scores for sure. I guess we'll have to wait until the game comes out to find out the stage divisions per character, etc.

Secret Rings: only sure about Rings and Times; not so much about Score - never seen a video that shows the final result screen or anything like that.

[KnucklesSonic8]

That reminds me: Couldn't we do GBA Genesis too?

Times would be: Normal and Anniversary Mode (spin dash and all)
Also rings and scores, naturally. SS, though?

[Groudon]

Well, normal would be probably the same as regular Sonic 1, so that might be out of the question.  TSC might have Anniversary Mode under Times, or allow both to be competed in there (like Sonic R allows Grand Prix and Time Trial submittable, but with Grand Prix, the times blow TT away).

[KnucklesSonic8]

Well, normal would be probably the same as regular Sonic 1, so that might be out of the question.  TSC might have Anniversary Mode under Times, or allow both to be competed in there (like Sonic R allows Grand Prix and Time Trial submittable, but with Grand Prix, the times blow TT away).

I was going to ask that, actually, but I wasn't sure. If anything, Anniversary Mode would be seperate. Guess that clears that up. :P

[Bilan]

If both modes track subseconds then theres a possibility. I guess we'll have to wait and see :o

[KnucklesSonic8]

Hey everyone. I was playing Riders and I thought of something regarding our proposal...

Ignore the possibility that it may be too late for now (cause I'm not sure if it is or not, but anyway...) and just hear me out. Do you all think the Survival Battle divisions should have been divided by character? There are significant differences between each of the characters, as I've noticed both in the past and more recently when I experimented with each character. My findings are:

Categories - Boost Duration (seconds)/Type of Attack (Stop and Attack - S; I - Instantaneous)/Attack Length (seconds)

Sonic - 3 / I / N-A
Tails - 3 / I / N-A
Knuckles - 1 / S / 1.5-2
Amy - 3 / S / 1-1.5
Jet - 3 / S / 1-1.5
Storm - 1 / S / 1.5-2
Wave - 3 / S / 2-2.5
Dr. Eggman - 3 / S / 1.5-2
Cream - 1 / S / 2.5-3
Rouge - 1 / S / 1.5-2
Shadow - 1 / S / 1-1.5
NiGHTS - 1 / S / 1.5-2
Aiai - 3 / I / N-A
Ulala - 1 / S / 1-2
E-10000G - 1 / S / 2
E-10000R - 1 / S / 2

If this were to come through, I think Amy and Jet should be combined since there's practically no difference between the two of them. Others that could be combined would be E-10000 G and it's counterpart (even though E-G has a lesser limit on the select screen, they play the same way in this mode), and possibly Rouge and NiGHTS, Knuckles and Storm (Storm has a slightly longer attack but I don't find it to be a significant difference).

Just a thought, though. What do you all think. Any thoughts?

(I can't wait for the proposal results; I have so many new updated stats to submit for the games we've proposed! :D)

[Groudon]

It's would be good, but then the same would have to be done with the Races and Time Attack divisions.  Every character performs differently, so if we divide the survival division, we'd have to divide the stats in every Sonic racing game TSC tracks among the characters.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Hmm... Trying to think...

I see what you're saying, though. It's a good point. It's just that there would only be two divisions (excluding Space Theatre; told 'em he didn't have to put it in cause it's not very skill-based) and each character performs differently in Battle Mode... but, again there's what you said.... UGH! Confused. :S

I've always, thought, though (going back to what you said), there should be another division seperating Normal/Default Gear from High Booster.

I don't know what to say about it, though... Should we or shouldn't we correct it? And if we do, how would characters be divided?

[Groudon]

I think the Riders suggestions (and current charts) should stay the way they originally were.  If we change this, we'd have to change Sonic R's divisions to split it between Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Dr. Robotnik, Amy, Metal Sonic, Metal Knuckles, Egg Robo, Tails Doll, and Super Sonic.  It's just too much hassle.

[KnucklesSonic8]

You know what, I think you're right. It is too much of a hassle. And I'm sure Thorn would agree. :P

Thanks for your input, Groudon. Always appreciate it. :)

BTW, you think we should still update the charts on the front page? I got some stats but I don't think anyone else would have some. Whaddya think?

[Groudon]

Sounds like a good idea.  After all, the charts can be updated here until Rolken decides to add them (if he does).

[Groudon]

And a quick note.  In Westopolis, 248 is the most number of rings you can get in that level.  I just re-did it to be sure, and now I am.

[Thorn]

You know what, I think you're right. It is too much of a hassle. And I'm sure Thorn would agree. :P

I think I would too.  I read it, but didn't wanna make a one-line post.

The way I see it right now, we're not getting a response.  Which means if you don't see any changes come TSC4, then there likely won't be for a long time.  I don't wanna look pessimistic, but I'm just statin' what I see.

EDIT: And for what it's worth, there was VERY brief talk of Special Stages and division restructuring in SPA tonight in chat.  Sign?  Likely not, but ya never know.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Hmm... well, like you said, you never know I guess. We'll just have to wait and see. It's been quite a while, though, hasn't it? I speculate that they'll be up in November when the divisions for Next-Gen Sonic are made.

And you weren't being pessimistic; I acknowledged that fact before, too, I'm afraid.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Everyone, I got a reply!!!!

"Looks like I never replied to your long PM :X I read it awhile ago, and most of your ideas sounded fair; I'm waiting until I finish the TSC4 admin tools to do modifications tho, so once that time comes I'll get in touch again :o"

It's a sign! :D What a sight for sore eyes. :P

[Thorn]

And patience finally pays off.

Also, I'm intrigued as to what these TSC4 admin tools are.

* Thorn pokes RPG to make sure they're still square, welchers will be shot.  Or just frowned at, circumstance depending.

* RPG shoots Thorn for not shutting up about TSC4 for months.

[KnucklesSonic8]

And patience finally pays off.

Finally is the key word since we're not all the way there but it's a great sign, that's for sure.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Thorn, finally fixed my DC!!! So happy, but anyway, as a result, new stats for Shuffle for my charts plus I've got tons of SS stats for Heroes lying around on paper..... Here are a few I'll add later:

Shuffle:

Frosty Rumble - 55
Thor's Hammer - 52
Bucket O Rings - 40
Croc-Attack - 13 seconds left!!!!! [A lot easier than I remember.... I never won this when I played this before... :P]
Twister - 64
Sonic Parasol - 75
Ring of Fire - 55
Sky Bridge - 52
Over the Bridge - 24
Shadow Tag - 23
Manic Maze (1) - 27 seconds left
Sonicooking (1) - 22
Sonicooking (3) - 33
Sonic Tag - 24
Wrong Way Climb (3) - 13 seconds left
Sonic Tank - 33 seconds left
DJ (1) - 92
DJ (3) - 43
Rapid Climb - 69
Emerald Coast - Precioustones: 5

Heroes:

Emerald 2/Rose - 32340
Bonus 1/Rose - 72900!! :P
Bonus 2/Rose - 52200
Emerald 1/Sonic - 41230
Bonus 1/Chaotix -66900!
Emerald 6/Sonic - 35910
Bonus 6/Dark - 36500

Advance 3 [Rings]
Toy 1 - 69
Toy 2 - 70
Toy 3 - 49
Twinkle 1 - 121
Twinkle 2 - 55
Twinkle 3 - 108
Cyber 1 - 63
Cyber 2 - 88
Cyber 3 - 143
Chaos 1 - 68
Chaos 2 - 104
Chaos 3 - 122

Battle
Cream:

1.1/ 1:21
1.2/ 2:16
1.3/ 2:22
1.4/ 1:51
1.5/ 2:28

Gamma:

2.1/ 1:42
2.2/ 2:21
2.3/ 2:53
2.4/ 1:50
2.5/ 1:49

Tails:

2.1/ 2:20
2.2/ 1:40
2.3/ 2:01
2.4/ 1:32
2.5/ 2:41

Emerl:

3.1/ 0:38
3.2/ 0:36
3.3/ 0:27
3.4/ 1:11
3.5/ 0:30

Amy:

3.1/  2:56
3.2/  2:24
3.3/  2:10
3.4/  1:36
3.5/ 2:42

Rouge:

3.1/ 4:05
3.2/ 2:56
3.3/ 3:12
3.4/ 1:59

Shadow:

3.1/ 1:51
3.2/ 4:48
3.3/ 1:57


EDIT: Should I bother making a chart for Battle stats? I may have room but I'm not sure if it's worth it. Thoughts?

[KnucklesSonic8]

Thorn: Important Question

I see you crossed out Over the Bridge and Stop the Train from the start. What were the reasons behind them not being included? I don't recall...

EDIT:
Thanks for clearing that up. Over the Bridge has now been added in the Rings division! Thorn, when you get a chance, update the doc. for me? Please and thank you.

[Thorn]

How did you score Over the Bridge, there's no timer or anything.. and Stop the Train is dependent on how many rings the computer players drop.

Also that question was very PMable.

[X-5]

I can't tell if this is the right topic for this but it says new competition suggestions so I assume it would go for any game.

SA2:

-Rankings for Mission 3,4 on Route 101/280. I can understand why mission 5 isn't on there, but why not have Mission 3 and 4? they're fairly challenging which would make for some interesting times(Especially M4 due to how difficult it would be to do it fast)

-Ranks for Mission 4 (except for hunting levels) seriously why not? just because it's the same as M1 basically,it still proves how good someone really is at a level, as opposed to people getting somewhat easy records because they can gather up 99 lives and restart until they don't screw up.

I'm sure both of these have been suggested before, but maybe those are good enough reasons to actually add ranks for them.

[Groudon]

For the R101/280 m3 and m4, I agree.  They're a little more challengeing.

As for m4s, if we add those, we should add Team Sonic's extra missions in Heroes.

[yoshifan]

Kart M3: A significant part of getting a fast time in Mission 1 is to avoid the cars, so adding Mission 3 seems a bit repetitive to me.

Kart M4: Personally I'm not too interested (preferring to go all-out like in M1), but I guess it would work.

M4 time rankings in general: Well, in the Tails/Eggman levels in particular, you'd actually lose a bit of time from restarting at checkpoints, as you'd have to restart from a standstill.  So that lost time would somewhat balance out with the gained time from better execution, meaning the M1/M4 rankings wouldn't be much different.  I can see where you're coming from for some Sonic/Shadow levels, Cannon's Core, and maybe Eternal Engine and Cosmic Wall.  Still, it would look kind of odd if Mission 4s were only added for certain levels (even if we just left out hunting).  Also, I don't think a lot of people abuse checkpoints, at least not to an extreme.

[X-5]

Well it's just mainly I watched SM's Eternal Engineroom,and i'm not putting him down or anything but the amount of lives he used is kind of ridiculous, since I never use more than the 4 it gives you when I set a record time. Even without using alot of lives, i'm fairly sure the M4 times would be worse than M1's for the most part of Sonic/Shadow levels, I guess the walker levels would be abit different, because now i'm realizing alot are best to just do 1 solid run(Iron gate, Mission street, Hidden base and probably others I haven't played)

Maybe just M4 for Sonic/Shadow then?

I do understand what your saying about M3 though.

[KnucklesSonic8]

As I've already sent the PM, I have noticed that there are new proposals coming in not just from this topic but on others as well. I am contemplating developing another proposal PM for new proposals for TSC4 - as this is when Rolk said he'd think about adding our previous proposals. Thus far, I know that there are a few, so can people help me out by telling me what proposals have been proposed out there on the forums and we can, then, develop a new proposal!

I have also mentioned earlier that I will also make proposals for next-gen game divisions: Rivals, Secret Rings, Sonic Next-Gen, and Genesis. I will think about the newer proposals mentioned in this topic and begin to develop a list of potential suggestions for the second PM.

Sound good?

EDIT:
Here are some from the TSC To-Do List thread:

Sonic Adventure DX
* Twinkle Circuit - single lap times

Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
* Kart races - single lap times

Sonic Rush
* Time Attack levels - single lap times
* Special Stage Ring Division?

Sonic Advance
* Special Stage ring counts

Sonic Advance 2
* Special Stage ring counts

Sonic 1 GG
* Act 3 Scores
* Remove Sky Base 2 from ring rankings, and add Scrap Brain 3 (Is this done? I can't be bothered looking)

Sonic 2 GG
* Act 3 Scores
* Act 3 Times - can be worked out from time bonus on GG, except for one

Sonic Triple Trouble
* Time Attack level for Sonic and Tails (Time, possibly rings? Don't think you're given a score)
* Removal of Sunset Park 2 Scores.

Sonic R
* New divisions: GP (3lap, Flap), TA Normal (3lap, Flap), TA Reverse (3lap, Flap), Balloons, Tag.
* Splitting by character?

Sonic Drift 1
* Add Single Lap times.
* Character split? I'm thinking no, but I forgot about the debate me and Sprint had. I think we agreed on no, but just to make sure.

Sonic Drift 2
* Add Single Lap times.
* Character split? I'm thinking no, but I forgot about the debate me and Sprint had. I think we agreed on no, but just to make sure.

Sonic Pocket Adventure
* Removal of Cosmic Casino 1 and 2 Scores and Rings Division. There is an infinite supply of rings due to slots. Think Casino Night.
* Special Stage

You guys mentioned, recently:

SA2:
*Ranks for Mission 3,4 on Route 101/280.
*Ranks for Mission 4 (except for hunting levels)


What were some others mentioned in this topic?

[Groudon]

Well, Rolk should add divisions for the next-gen Sonic game (possibly Secret Rings and Rivals), but he said if when Sonic Genesis is released and it's just like the "95% complete video, he won't add divisions for the game, and I don't blame him for thinking that.  Sonic Team has a month to fix the bugs the video had, and let's hope they fix them.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Well, Rolk should add divisions for the next-gen Sonic game (possibly Secret Rings and Rivals), but he said if when Sonic Genesis is released and it's just like the "95% complete video, he won't add divisions for the game, and I don't blame him for thinking that.  Sonic Team has a month to fix the bugs the video had, and let's hope they fix them.

I know, G, but as far as the next-gen games, go, I was just going to come up witha  division list to help Rolken out a bit. I'm sure he'd 'pprecite that.

[Groudon]

I know.  Just saying, though.

[Bilan]

Rolk wont add M4 times for SA2B, we've had this discussion plenty of times